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« Reply #105 on: February 24, 2010, 08:15:38 AM » |
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FIRSTIES!!
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« Reply #106 on: February 24, 2010, 08:17:19 AM » |
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denis, secondies!!
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“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “We’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
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“You must be,” said the Cat, “otherwise you wouldn’t have come here.” — Lewis Carroll
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« Reply #107 on: February 24, 2010, 08:32:26 AM » |
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Brilliant Denis. That IS what makes a difference. WFs. FF, I hope you can pass that on, although I would expect some of the veterans to look like they have seen a ghost if you propose it though. That is how this place should be run.
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« Reply #108 on: February 24, 2010, 09:26:18 AM » |
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"although I would expect some of the veterans to look like they have seen a ghost if you propose it though" That is exactly a concern with this new party. Even though they're billed as a "new party" they've inherited legacy veterans from the UBP, some who also hold seats. Individuals are more likely to be groomed by their previous organization and more hesitant to change from the status quo (eg http://www.instantbrainstorm.com/lizard_brain.html) and since they are inherited as power brokers, they also can have more sway and are more inclined to resist radical new ideas. As nice as it is to have a "new party" it isn't as guaranteed that the road to getting solid new ideas adopted is any easier than with the existing lot, especially when the inherited power brokers are the ones who most have something to lose. This is exactly why many sit on the fence rather than rushing to jump on board. Things were already set and rolling early on before most people were brought into the fold and as such there is even more of a liklihood that positions on how things could be done and structured are more set. The majority of fence sitters would likely rather see evidence of positions and that the old ways don't hold a ton of power before jumping into the fold to face the same battles that would be faced in trying to change the PLP or UBP. Otherwise, what really makes the new party any different from the old ones if one truly wants to instill "change"? |
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« Reply #109 on: February 24, 2010, 10:18:56 AM » |
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Precisely, denis. Personally I am hesitant to throw my support behind the new party for fear of more of the same old, same old. Choosing the lesser of two (or three) evils simply isn't acceptable anymore.
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“...But the hearts of men are easily corrupted... And the ring of power has a will of its own.”
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« Reply #110 on: February 24, 2010, 10:37:05 AM » |
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hear hear.
FF I hope you take these suggestions forward, but I question the response you will get.
I would say this is not advice limited to the BDA, it would be welcome for all parties to adopt these suggestions and make them their own.
But remember, follow through...
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« Reply #111 on: February 24, 2010, 10:49:20 AM » |
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I would say this is not advice limited to the BDA, it would be welcome for all parties to adopt these suggestions and make them their own.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.When the Bermudian voting public matures, that's when the old dogs will have to learn new (poli)tricks. Until then, the same tired ole rhetoric seems to work for many Bermudians... |
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« Reply #112 on: February 24, 2010, 11:29:43 AM » |
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yes it is depressing.
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« Reply #113 on: February 25, 2010, 03:01:13 PM » |
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CD has a bit on the BDA leader speaking on the independence issue. What do y'all think?
And on Independence, he said: "That's been buried for a while. That's a decision for the people of Bermuda. It's my belief it can only be done through referendum.
"Personally, someone said to me if it's not broke don't fix it, but I'm of the mind of progression like any other country who's dependent, they believe in the future and progress, and that progress includes Independence. Many of the great minds of the world became independent to progress.
"Natural progress for Bermuda would probably be to embody Independence. However, what's the best thing for Bermuda is still to be determined."
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« Reply #114 on: February 25, 2010, 03:17:16 PM » |
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Sounds like he is trying to pander to both sides of the divide. But I am happy that he feels it should be decided by referendum. I can live with that.
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« Reply #115 on: February 25, 2010, 03:22:33 PM » |
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As long as they call for a long period of discussion and get as much honest and factual information out to the people and only call for a stand alone referendum he can pander to both sides all he likes....
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« Reply #117 on: February 25, 2010, 03:27:37 PM » |
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« Reply #118 on: February 25, 2010, 03:35:23 PM » |
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As long as they call for a long period of discussion and get as much honest and factual information out to the people and only call for a stand alone referendum he can pander to both sides all he likes....
Which is what I was thinking. It's not so much the Independence issue as how it is presented/force fed to us... Give good (and real) pros for this and allow the public to decide. Having an opinion as a politician does not make you God or evil, it simply makes you a human. It's how you dessiminate that opinion and use it to form policy that separate the wheat from the chaff. |
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« Reply #119 on: February 25, 2010, 03:44:37 PM » |
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yep, like I said on Denis's site: instead of the all the bull shit about "great minds" and "progress", I would have rather heard, "after much consideration and education of all the people, we would support the decision via referendum". http://www.21square.com/2010/02/which-party-do-you-support.html#commentssimple, honest and direct. i am sick of the fluff. |
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