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« on: January 06, 2012, 12:29:08 PM »

Thought this needed a separate thread than the "Demise of Bermuda" one.
For the gang problem topic when its not actually a shooting at any rate (there is already a shooting thread)

I was struck by the report this week of two rival factions going at it outside the courthouse for a number of reasons.

http://bermudasun.bm/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=56069&SectionID=24&SubSectionID=902

1. One of the gang members is 16. The new crop of soldiers coming through?
2.  The Somerset boys were there to pay a fine on behalf of a friend. (friend too scared to come to town? the guys doing the trip are minions/foot soldiers for a higher up?)
3. The guys are more scared of losing face to a rival gang and backing down than they are of being arrested. It was obvious that they would be arrested fighting outside the court and they didn't stop when the cops arrived.
4. Is the courthouse on one gangs turf?



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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 02:14:25 PM »

The courthouse is on Parkside's turf.
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 04:20:48 PM »

I would be interested in seeing a list of gangs, and where their turf is.  I can't keep it all straight.
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 05:39:23 PM »



Oh don't make me fucking gag!!!!   Vomit

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2012, 05:41:32 PM »

I would be interested in seeing a list of gangs, and where their turf is.  I can't keep it all straight.

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 06:50:51 PM »

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.....
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2012, 06:53:36 PM »

Around the outside edges of the red areas it should be written...   Beyond here there be dragons

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 07:16:30 PM »

I would be interested in seeing a list of gangs, and where their turf is.  I can't keep it all straight.

Don't forget this one:



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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 07:28:38 PM »

Sad, but too accurate for anything but bitter laughter
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 02:32:00 PM »

Kevin Comeau has been giving gang speeches to the Rotary Club for at least 2 years. Being retired since he was 41 and a resident of Bermuda since 1989 maybe he has been too busy to keep up with how effective Canadian laws are at reducing gang violence.

In Toronto for example, gang gun violence and gang deaths are increasing while the overall murder rate has decreased. Police are met with an immediate wall-of-silence when they investigate any gang related incident. Many gang related cases that are prosecuted don't end up with a conviction. Even the activists that were so vocal 10 years ago have been silenced.

In my opinion the Canadian model wouldn't work any better in Bermuda as Comeau claims. Give gang members plea bargains in exchange for testimony against other gang members and then send them off to UK under a witness protection programme...sure! There would be an exodus of gang members who gave up other gang members just to get that witness protection programme in the UK. It wouldn't be very many years before the UK could add the Bermuda Gang to their list of gangs.     

A more stringent law for dealing with gangs is needed in Bermuda but trying to adopt another country's model only makes a good speech for the Rotary Club. Bermuda needs a Government, justice system and police service that is capable of enforcing and making a more stringent gang law work before they even think about what the law will accomplish.

Social policies with alternatives to gang life can't come after a more stringent law, the alternatives have to be in place before or at the same time as a law. Expecting the gangs to give up anything before they see some hope is living in dream world. Ignoring the increasing gang control only increases the probability someday a military force will be required to secure the Island. 

  http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20120208/NEWS/702089916                                                                                                 
     
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2012, 06:21:33 PM »

Kevin Comeau has been giving gang speeches to the Rotary Club for at least 2 years. Being retired since he was 41 and a resident of Bermuda since 1989 maybe he has been too busy to keep up with how effective Canadian laws are at reducing gang violence.

In Toronto for example, gang gun violence and gang deaths are increasing while the overall murder rate has decreased. Police are met with an immediate wall-of-silence when they investigate any gang related incident. Many gang related cases that are prosecuted don't end up with a conviction. Even the activists that were so vocal 10 years ago have been silenced.

In my opinion the Canadian model wouldn't work any better in Bermuda as Comeau claims. Give gang members plea bargains in exchange for testimony against other gang members and then send them off to UK under a witness protection programme...sure! There would be an exodus of gang members who gave up other gang members just to get that witness protection programme in the UK. It wouldn't be very many years before the UK could add the Bermuda Gang to their list of gangs.     

A more stringent law for dealing with gangs is needed in Bermuda but trying to adopt another country's model only makes a good speech for the Rotary Club. Bermuda needs a Government, justice system and police service that is capable of enforcing and making a more stringent gang law work before they even think about what the law will accomplish.

Social policies with alternatives to gang life can't come after a more stringent law, the alternatives have to be in place before or at the same time as a law. Expecting the gangs to give up anything before they see some hope is living in dream world. Ignoring the increasing gang control only increases the probability someday a military force will be required to secure the Island. 

  http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20120208/NEWS/702089916                                                                                                 
     

See how it worked out West in Canada - spike in gang murders etc...

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 07:49:27 PM »

National Security Minister Wayne Perinchief has announced that Government will unveil a handbook on gang culture and symbols on February 22nd. The handbook would help people recognize the signs of gang membership and assist them in combating the influence of gang culture. Wonder how much the Government paid for this handbook? Whatever the cost of the handbook the money could have been better spent on actual programs. The gang members will be lined up to get their copy of the handbook to see how people recognize them and their symbols.   Face Palm 
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 07:54:43 PM »

National Security Minister Wayne Perinchief has announced that Government will unveil a handbook on gang culture and symbols ... The gang members will be lined up to get their copy of the handbook to see how people recognize them and their symbols. 

Maybe they should have made it a website - that way, they could keep it up-to-date. (Not saying they'd actually get around to it, but in theory, at least, they could - unlike with dead trees....)

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2012, 08:03:41 PM »

Someone say something about how to recognize a gang.... belly up to the bar and I'll show you one....

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2012, 10:17:17 PM »

Someone say something about how to recognize a gang.... belly up to the bar and I'll show you one....



Absolut (ly) perfect! You can peddle it as an addendum to the handbook.
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