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« on: January 17, 2012, 07:31:57 PM »

So there's something curious about the sinking of the cruise ship - dunno if anyone else has noticed it.

First, if you look closely at the images, you'll see a lot of damage below the waterline on the port side (the side which is now canted up); one picture in the Daily Heil even shows a giant boulder stuck in the damaged area.

What's interesting, though, is that this damage is behind a stabilizer fin - which is completely untouched! You can see it in this image. In other words, she didn't contact the rock that made that damage while going straight ahead - rather, she must have been in a sharp turn, or turning while backing, or something.

The other odd thing is that that damage is on the up side as she lays now. Now, it's true that she sank some miles from the reef she first hit (no, she didn't hit the rocks right there at the port - the captain made for that port once he realized she was taking on a lot of water), so perhaps some sort of free surface effect caused her to roll the other way. e.g. as he made a sharp turn near the port, or something.

However, I wonder if the other (down, starboard) side isn't damaged too, and she was taking water on both sides. This could be explained if she was right in among the pinnacles of the shoal, and she sustained the port-side damage while attempting to get off the shoal. If so, the captain is even dumber - to try and pull her off the shoal herself, without scouting things was a bad idea - unless she was already taking on water so fast she was going to sink in a matter of hours, and getting close to land (to ease passenger offload) was worth the chance of further damage. Another possibility is that she went in between several pinnacles at a good clip, and sustained damage on both sides about simultaneously (although why was the damage only aft, if so). Or perhaps the port-side damage was caused trying to get into port?

Anyway, it's rather odd that there's damage on the up side, and it's only aft... There's definitely a lot more to this story we're not hearing yet.

Noel
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2012, 08:23:14 PM »

I was wondering about that as well. Figured maybe it had pitched enough on impact that it wasn't coming back and that water had gotten in through windows on the starboard side if not through damaged areas.

The captain sure was kind enough to abandon ship and "direct" the evacuation process from the safety of a life boat....  WTF
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 11:25:41 AM »

BTW - anyone else seeing the stark parallels of this ship disaster with the PLP's governing of Bermuda?

If this were made into a movie the captain would be played by Ewart Brown.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 11:47:42 AM »

If it were a movie he would have helicoptered off the aft deck after cocktails, leaving the cogs-swain in charge.
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2012, 06:44:58 PM »

And right on cue minister Minors is calling May Day.... May Day....  Rasta

http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20120120/NEWS/120129995

And yes, I do concur that this is a political ploy, however there is one upside to moving the holiday.... when the US & Canadian Labour Day holiday is happening Bermuda will be open for business with everyone showing up for work. So there is a silver lining to the idea.... pity they couldn't have thought of it from that angle first though.

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 01:47:39 PM »

Either one cool dude - or not.

Cruise ship's cook says captain ordered dinner after crash

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/19/world/europe/italy-cruise-cook/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 09:44:03 PM »

So there's something curious about the sinking of the cruise ship - dunno if anyone else has noticed it.

First, if you look closely at the images, you'll see a lot of damage below the waterline on the port side (the side which is now canted up); one picture in the Daily Heil even shows a giant boulder stuck in the damaged area.

What's interesting, though, is that this damage is behind a stabilizer fin - which is completely untouched! You can see it in this image. In other words, she didn't contact the rock that made that damage while going straight ahead - rather, she must have been in a sharp turn, or turning while backing, or something.

The other odd thing is that that damage is on the up side as she lays now. Now, it's true that she sank some miles from the reef she first hit (no, she didn't hit the rocks right there at the port - the captain made for that port once he realized she was taking on a lot of water), so perhaps some sort of free surface effect caused her to roll the other way. e.g. as he made a sharp turn near the port, or something.

However, I wonder if the other (down, starboard) side isn't damaged too, and she was taking water on both sides. This could be explained if she was right in among the pinnacles of the shoal, and she sustained the port-side damage while attempting to get off the shoal. If so, the captain is even dumber - to try and pull her off the shoal herself, without scouting things was a bad idea - unless she was already taking on water so fast she was going to sink in a matter of hours, and getting close to land (to ease passenger offload) was worth the chance of further damage. Another possibility is that she went in between several pinnacles at a good clip, and sustained damage on both sides about simultaneously (although why was the damage only aft, if so). Or perhaps the port-side damage was caused trying to get into port?

Anyway, it's rather odd that there's damage on the up side, and it's only aft... There's definitely a lot more to this story we're not hearing yet.

Noel


Noel, this site answers a lot of your very good questions

http://gcaptain.com/gcaptains-john-konrad-narrates-the-final-maneuvers-of-the-costa-concordia-video/?37941
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2012, 03:11:35 PM »




Italian Cruise ship captain Francesco Schettino began his new job as a bus driver yesterday.....

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 08:04:14 AM »




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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 01:36:33 AM »

So there's something curious about the sinking of the cruise ship
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she must have been in a sharp turn, or turning while backing, or something.
The other odd thing is that that damage is on the up side as she lays now. Now, it's true that she sank some miles from the reef she first hit (... the captain made for that port once he realized she was taking on a lot of water), so perhaps some sort of free surface effect caused her to roll the other way

So I just saw an interesting documentary which explains a lot of this - and also makes it clear that a horrible death-toll was only averted through sheer chance.

She was indeed turning sharply when she first struck (on the port side, the side that's now up), as the captain realized he had cut it too close. She lost power within a minute or so of the impact, apparently due to the flooding, and momentum took her out to sea (after the turn), where she came to a stop a mile or so offshore.

Here's where the luck came in: the wind was out of the North-East - just the direction to blow her back towards the shore. (The captain claims he beached her, but the telemetry shows she slowly moved sideways until she hit - i.e. she was not under control.) Had the wind been offshore, instead of onshore, she'd almost certainly have sunk miles offshore.

Given that many of the lifeboats on the 'up' side could not be launched because of the list (many people were evacuated by lifeboats making a second trip after unloading on the island; others jumped and swam to shore), had she sunk a long way offshore, many people (hundreds, perhaps a thousand or more) would have drowned or died from exposure (water temp that night was about 65 degrees --> one hour without protective gear).


The thing is that the captain made a series of bad calls. She was moving quite fast at the time of impact - way too fast for that close to shore;  as a result, the impact caused a gash about 160' long. (Here's where the 'Titanic' parallels begin.) She could withstand two compartments flooding - but a gash of that length would flood three or four. The captain was told the size of the gash by the chief engineer within a few minutes - but instead of immediately ordering abandon ship, he delayed, and when evacuation was finally ordered, she has listed so far that many lifeboats on the high side could not be launched.

The reason she sank listing to starboard is likely that there was a pretty good breeze that night, and once she lost power she naturally went broadside on, and with her high superstructure, the wind rolled her over a bit - that combined with free surface effects, and eventually hitting the island, to capsize her the other way.


But they were really lucky - had the wind been blowing the other direction...

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 10:33:14 AM »

Very lucky indeed. I wonder if a current might have helped as well. If he was going at speed it might explain why. I also imagine that once enough water got into the bilge it sloshed over to starboard and with the wind effect helped raise the gash out of the water thus preventing a quicker fill rate. He was extremely lucky to have been making the turn and having the momentum carry them on.... If that turn had not been initiated the wind would have caught the starboard flank and pushed with the gash under water acting as a brake. They'd never have made it to land and could have capsized very quickly.  
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2012, 08:28:24 AM »

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Refloating capsized Costa Concordia 'could cost far beyond 100m euro'
[Asian News International] 


The overall cost of refloating Costa Concordia, the luxury cruise ship that ran aground off the Italian coast in January this year, would be 'far beyond' 100 million Euros, a dredging and maritime services company bidding for the task has said.

Peter Berdowski, the chief executive of Royal Boskalis Westminster, said recovering the capsized ship was "an operation without precedent".

"You're not talking about an operation of a few dozen millions but something that goes far beyond 100 million Euros," The Telegraph quoted Berdowski, as saying.

"This is an operation without precedent. You have to imagine a big fat whale the size of a block of flats lying on its side, accidentally supported by two rocks," he added.

Berdowski also said Boskalis has put forward a "responsible and careful way" to refloat the cruise liner.

The Dutch company, which founded its UK arm, the Westminster Dredging Company in the 1930s, is one of six to have submitted a proposal to remove the ship.

Boskalis's SMIT business has already won the contract to remove fuel from the ship.

According to the paper, some of the rival bidders have proposed cutting up the Costa Concordia, which would be a cheaper alternative initially.

Insurers and Carnival, the owner of the cruise ship, will take the final decision.

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